Record Live Podcast

Interview with James Marape _ session update
Intro: [00:00:00] Hi there everyone. I'm Jared. And I'm Sunita. We are your hosts of Record Live, a podcast where we talk about church faith and living well. We believe as followers of Jesus faith is more than just a set of beliefs. It's a way of life, something we'd put into practice. Let's go live.
Jarrod Stackelroth: And it is another episode of Record Live. , But, it's gonna be a great conversation today. We have coming up an interview, an exclusive interview, I would say from the general conference session.
The Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea. So that's gonna happen later in the program. But first, Ashley, you've been traveling, you've been helping out at the Northern Australia big camp, and [00:01:00] I'd love to hear how that went.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: It was actually really good. I was writing a daily newsletter. , Every day I would wander around camp and pick up stories from either events or people and then write up a little newsletter and it would be released the next day.
And yeah. I met a lot of really cool people and yeah, it was really exciting to be part of that. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yeah.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah, it was. You are also somewhere, where are you?
Jarrod Stackelroth: I am in St. Louis for the general conference session, and it is, it's full on long days. Yeah. Yeah.
It's awesome. It's crazy. What is it
Ashley Jankeiwicz: exactly that you are doing there?
Jarrod Stackelroth: So, I am writing for Adventist Review, which is, let's just put it this way. The Seventh Day Adventist Church is younger than the [00:02:00] Adventist Review.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: It's pretty crazy. The,
Jarrod Stackelroth: the magazine was something that the church started right at its inception because they wanted to spread the word about what they were learning and what they were discovering in the Bible.
And it's been going ever since. And so, Adventist review, at the general conference session, they put out a daily bulletin, , so they put out a daily bulletin and they need a whole team.
Basically the whole team's here, the designers, the , managers, the editors, some writers like myself, I'm helping with the writing side of things. , It's full on, there's deadlines every day. We're getting through it and it looks really good. Actually, I've got some copies. Here's a copy of, I think, the issue that came out today.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: How long is it? This one? How many stories in each one? This is 55,
Jarrod Stackelroth: 56 pages. Wow. Today's bulletin. , The bulletin that came [00:03:00] out on Sunday announcing the new church president. I'm sure everyone's heard by now. This one is 60 pages. So this one has a list in the back of all the delegates that were attending the session by different, , oh, sorry.
This is the list of the nominating committee. Everyone who was on the non nom non-com, as they call it, is in enlisted in the back of this magazine. So. Review, much like record is a historic, it has a historic purpose. It records things at like at session so that you know, years down the track we can know who was there, who did what, who voted.
Yeah. Yeah. It's very cool. So we, it keeps us busy. Thankfully the team here has done a lot of pre-preparation work, so some of the features and some of the. Lists and stuff, they can just get and drop in. But the main things that has to happen is the daily news updates. So that's what we're mostly involved in.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah. So does that involve just going to a lot of the [00:04:00] events? , To cover them, get the stories and Yeah.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Attending, attending events in this room here, the war room we call it. We've got a couple of screens so we can follow along even when we're trying to write up other stories. , That's useful. This morning I went down to the dome, , which is just, it's not far outside this hallway.
You just go down and you're in the dome. And I watched as the mayor of St. Louis was attending, , wow. And wrote up a story about that. That was my story assignment today. , So I'm writing one or two stories. , Today was two stories that I wrote. The other story I wrote was people's first impressions.
I found a bunch of. Folks from right around the world who have never been to a general conference session before. And so I asked them, what's it like? What's your impression? What did
Ashley Jankeiwicz: they say? What were some of the impressions?
Jarrod Stackelroth: , People were impressed. They enjoyed the Sabbath program. I did ask them specifically about that because we've had the first Sabbath here in St.
St. Louis already. , One young man [00:05:00] said, , something very interesting., He's a 16-year-old who's helping with. Some of the food services. He's an Adventist from Europe and he's come here, I think with his family. They might be a delegate or something that's one of his parents, but he's been volunteering in the food hall.
And he said he was very impressed by the, I guess, the transition, the humility that Ted Wilson showed in saying nice things about his replacement president. , Yeah, if you've missed the news, and this is the first time you're hearing about it, , Ted Wilson was not reelected. E Kohler, who was , the secretary has been appointed to the presidency.
So he did the Sabbath sermon. , But yeah, just in the transition, they both were very , gracious to each other. And yeah, this young man to him that really stood out to him that the leadership was promoting or pointing towards some kind of unity and that it wasn't like a hostile takeover. Oh no, someone's in competition with each other.
Someone's stolen my job and now. You know, perhaps how the world [00:06:00] would see it. So it was interesting to hear that young man's perspective. 'cause it's like, that's an interesting take on it. That's how he perceives what has happened here. , And , it's given him,, a greater appreciation for the world Church.
A number of people said, , 'cause I asked them the question, what will you take away from here? And there were probably two themes. Mission, they felt like, yeah, we are being inspired while we're here. , Seeing the reports and hearing the sermons and devotionals and stuff. And the other thing that we're gonna take away was a new, a newfound appreciation for just how broad and how diverse and how, um, yet still together our church is across the world.
It's really exciting to see the colorful, traditional dress costumes of the different delegates and the. You know, the singing groups, the music, a lot of those things that add a lot of color to the occasion. [00:07:00]
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah, that's really cool. It's inspiring, I guess, that, , young people are involved, like 16 years old and volunteering there.
, That's really cool. , I heard that SBD has a booth. What's that like? Have you stopped by
Jarrod Stackelroth: the. I did stop by briefly. I haven't tested any, apparently Sanitarium has some delicious goodies. One of my mates was saying he tried something, they've got down there, it's vegan, some kind of vegan cream cheese spread thing, and he said it was amazing.
And I dunno if it's available in Australia yet. I think it's one of the international partners, but I think they're also giving out fruity bs, , or Wheat BS Bites or whatever they're called now. , Wheat, BS , and milk. So people, yeah, people love that about the, the South Pacific booth. They eat the food, but you know, our own team in the office, they designed a lot of that booth and it does , the frames with all the amazing photos.
Many of them have been in [00:08:00] record at different times over the years. But just showcasing the diversity, , of our division. , I really like, yeah, the way it has come together. It's crazy. Actually, the exhibition hall is crazy. It opened on Sabbath at, I think it was supposed to be at five, but it ended up being at six and there were lines, you see those Black Friday sales where there's like people lined up trying to get in the doors.
I had a, I got given a exhibitor pass, even though I'm not really on the booths much, but I have an all access pass as well, and they almost didn't let me in, but I got in there and. That was before the crowds, so I could find my way to the booth and sort it out. But literally, once they opened those doors, there were people running because they had been there on Thursday or Friday and they had missed out.
Like they only give out a certain amount per day. They're trying to ration things. There's giveaways, there's pins, there's t-shirts, there's all sorts of things. People were running past our [00:09:00] booth to try and get somewhere. I don't know where they were headed, but people were so excited to get into there.
But it was. Saturday night was madness, so I haven't really done all the booths because it was crazy. I just said on my Facebook, Hey, if you're around, come and see me at the Adventist review booth because it's a location that people can find and I can't find some people in these crowds that want to catch up with me.
So I just said, Hey, come and find me. This is where I'll be. It's very, it's chaotic. A little bit chaotic, but it's fun.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah. Fair enough. So how many Adventists do you reckon are in St. Louis right now?
Jarrod Stackelroth: Oh, there's thousands. , There's a lot. So the delegates are about 2,700, I think in total. Total. But many of them have brought spouses and , children even.
There are a lot of exhibitors, so that's another extras. So Sabbath is really the time when you see everyone [00:10:00] together. 'cause for a lot of the business meetings, people don't come. And I will say a lot of the business is a bit tedious. People asking for clarification, standing at the mics. There's a lot of church manual, church policy stuff to wade through.
, Which is important, don't get me wrong, but. It's a lot for the delegates to have to sit through day after day. You know, , this thing is seven, 10 days long, something like that. And there's a lot of business to get through. So there is a bit of tedious stuff, but a lot of times there'll be no spectators in for those business meetings.
, People can come, it's an open meeting, people can come and observe. , But on the Sabbath, I would say I hear all sorts of different numbers. , But the one I think is. Possibly most accurate. Huh? I would say there was maybe 10 to 20,000 people there on Sabbath. Maybe 15,000. 20,000. , I don't want to exaggerate too much. Some people have said 40,000, , on the first Sabbath, but I don't think there were quite that many there.
, [00:11:00] But most people are in the hall on Sabbath morning for the Sabbath service.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Hmm. Yeah. Wow. That's a lot of people. You mentioned the delegates, so I've heard some people mention that, , they're not really sure how the delegates get nominated to go to the gc. Do you wanna just touch a little bit on that?
Jarrod Stackelroth: To be honest, I'm not a hundred percent sure either. Some, some of them are, appointed to positions that hold that. Place. So for example, , people like the president and the secretary of a division are automatically delegates to a meeting like this. Mm-hmm. Certain head heads of institutions, , get a seat, you know, get a spot, because they're leaders of the church, , and they're, you know, selected for that reason.
There are other people who are lay people. , Who are normal pastors in churches. They don't hold any administrative roles. And those are usually [00:12:00] selected and nominated by different levels of the church. The conference might appoint a couple, or the union or the division executive folks. , I heard one, I had one interview with a guy from Zambia.
He was the husband of a delegate. He said that she had been selected because she was the highest selling. , Literature evangelist in the division, so Oh, yeah. For that region of the world. They felt that her input, her voice was important because she had contributed so much and she's very passionate about the mission of the church, so she became a delegate to this particular.
, Meeting this particular business session. So, yeah, it's , it's a complex sort of process and there's lots of different levels at the church that you can be a representative on. So some people will be on the executive committees of their church or their local conference, the board meetings and different levels.
But this is like that, but bigger. This is like that. But imagine there's 10 people from every country in the world. That adds up very quickly. If there's 200 odd. [00:13:00] Countries. So, yeah. Yeah. There's heaps of people here.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah. What about, , like SPD representatives over there, I know a lot of people who are over there.
Uh, how are they contributing to the GC session?
Jarrod Stackelroth: Like any other division, we have a set number of representatives depending on the number of the Adventist population that we have in our region. , We have about a hundred I understand , at this meeting. So a hundred delegates have come from the SPD.
Now I've seen heaps more people from the SPD, , yeah, we've got singing groups that are attending. We've got musicians and singers who are contributing to the musical atmosphere. Of , the group and a lot of them are self-funded. They have saved up their pennies. Some of them aren't singing or contributing, they just wanna be here.
Mm-hmm. So there's a big contingent of Papua New Guineans. They just wanna come and experience a general conference session. This may be the only one they go to in their lifetime and they just wanna [00:14:00] hear the sermons, worship, enjoy the booths, , and learn more about the worldwide church. So that's really, .
Exciting. We've had some really strong presentations we haven't yet had., , when we're recording this, we haven't yet had our SPD report, but each division gives a report now. Mm-hmm. Beyond that though, there have been a number of presentations that have mentioned or featured p and g for Christ in some way, and as I mentioned, we had the special guests coming up in the program, the.
Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea actually attended the first weekend of this event and he spoke on Friday night. , On Friday night, they did a presentation on global total member involvement, and they featured a little bit of the PG for Christ. . Stats, some of the info, some of the stories, the testimonies of people who are really involved in that space.
And the Prime Minister got up and stood. And not only that, this is what I think has maybe [00:15:00] never happened in, in, , history. There have been delegates who, or, or, , I should say guests who are dignitaries, , head of state or, or mps or. In some government departments or special people, special guests.
, But the Prime Minister on Friday night sang with his group Footprints Ministry Wow. Footprint Ministry. And he's been singing, I happen to have the inside scoop on this. He's been singing with those guys since CBU for high school days. So throw back to his high school and here's a scoop Ashley. My grandfather actually taught the Prime Minister at Cub ufa.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: That's crazy. Really?
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yes. And the Secretary of the Union also there at the same time with the Prime Minister, my grandfather's student. So there's leaders in the country now that I don't know if they were good or bad in the days of my grandfather. They all say the same thing about him. They say he was [00:16:00] very, very strict.
Very fair. And he was, they respected him because he laid down the law, but he also explained why, , why they needed to follow the rules basically. , So I've heard the same thing. And if you listen carefully to the interview that we're gonna play with the Prime Minister coming up, he reflects on Adventist education.
Now he knows who my grandfather is, and he said to me after the interview. , He makes some comments on Adventist education, so listen out for those. But he said, oh, I should have mentioned your grandfather, because , he's one of the people that contributed to my, my upbringing, my Adventist education in that space.
So I don't know, what should we do? Play the video. Let's have a look.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah, go for it.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Let's have a look at my interview with the Papua Newa Prime Minister. I should say before we start, thank you so much to Adventist Review for allowing us to [00:17:00] use their studios. Here we go.
Hello everyone. We are coming to you from the general conference session in St. Louis, Missouri, in the United States of America, and my name is Jared Stoff. I am the editor of the Adventist Record and Signs of the Times Magazine, and I'm here. Working with Adventist Review and we want to thank Adventist Review for giving us this space, this studio, to interview a very special guest this evening.
Prime Minister James Mepe is the Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea, and he is attending the general conference session this, um, session. So Prime Minister, welcome.
James Marape: Thank you for welcoming me. My pleasure to attend this, , this, , important session.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yeah. Now I understand you've come to the session. You're gonna do a report on the total member involvement that's been happening?
Yes. In Papua New Guinea with a delegation of Papua New Guineans. Can you tell me [00:18:00] a little bit about the impact that you saw of this p and g for Christ Campaign on the country of Papua New Guinea?
James Marape: Well, I just want to thank everyone who's involved in, helping this mission. , The PNG for Christ, was the biggest ever, mobilization of evangelism in Papua New Guinea.
We've been independent almost 50 years. We, as a mission, almost 50 years. And, , to see a big bank sort of impact, that, . Basically embraced a hundred percent of the country. We are people of a country of 11 million people. And, , to see, mobilization, even to listen, , to impact the entire country at the end of the, campaign over 260.
Thousand souls were baptized, , equal number were enrolled in ready classes for later baptisms. Mm. And even prior to the actual event, they were, they were pre baptisms that took place. So the biggest ever mobilized system of evangelism in Papua New Guinea [00:19:00] in as far as Seventh Adventist is concerned.
And, , it was a big plus to the country. , Set the country on fire for the work of the gospel Gospel. Hmm.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Could you tell us a little bit about the impact on the community? So we know the church got mobilized, but what about the surrounding community? What did this program do for the country?
James Marape: The, uh, the country?
Has a hundred percent awareness on the value of the seventh ent, , belief systems. , The country has full respect of the church, , the, the explos of the Saru and the purity of the gospel,, like never before. So, , in as far as made you 24 was 14 is concerned for Papua, and there's no excuse now everyone is fully aware of the gospel message.
, But the, , for me as, as government. I was, , very happy with the turnout. The conversion of, uh, mo into the church leaves less runt out in the society, leaves a less, , OB person out in society, brings more into the family of Christ, more into a [00:20:00] behavior Christ would expect, of, , citizen to be.
So both the government, society community were very pleased with the tenor. , Over 600, , even evangelists from outside who also came in, , they would've felt the impact of, , being able to minister to the most linguistically diverse nation on earth.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Mm mm And I had heard from some of our leaders, even certain cities, like the crime rates dropped and, and Absolutely.
And the health clinic. Did a lot for, for the country as well.
James Marape: The health clinic mobilized people who needed, , needed, medical attention. The level of crime dropped in, , in, in, in areas where the evangelism was running. In fact, the entire country. So almost a drop , in the usual of, , criminal activity.
So, , , it's a win-win for everyone. The country appreciates the wake of the chats.
Jarrod Stackelroth: As we enter a new quinquennium or five year period, strategically, what do you see are some of the challenges facing the church in Papua New Guinea?
James Marape: , Maintaining the momentum. Those who were baptized, , maintain in the church, , the [00:21:00] resource of, , pastors to be out there in the face of nurturing, , maintaining those who baptized.
We do also have, rate of, , backsliding, , that does happen, and. Basically maintaining the momentum is something that would be the greater challenges. And, , we see a lot of, , flooding into our church run school institutions and health facilities. And so in the context, maintaining the momentum would be the greater challenge.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Mm-hmm. Now you were. Raised in a seventh Day Adventist family. Your parents , were missionaries, , in a new work area, and we spent some time at CCA Province where you spent some time growing up. Sure. During p and g for Christ. Can you tell me, you are now the leader of Papua New Guinea. What lessons did you learn from that upbringing, from your parents and from your Adventist background that you think equip you well to lead the country?
James Marape: Well, the first 18 years of my life was basically contact with, , homeschool, , parental guidance and, , church run schools. Mm. , And after I left high school, that was it [00:22:00] out of the world. But the first 18 years basically gave me the groundings to have the character fortitude of, mm-hmm. Of, uh, a character basically to be out there, to interface with the, with the, the community.
And now in, in, in this position, it gives me the, , ability to remain, , in, in total sanity dealing with all the talents that comes with running the office. , There is no, , greater place to learn, , about love for each other, love for community, love for service than being , in, in contact with the teachings of Christ and my parents and the seventh day 20 school system were able to give me this ability.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Mm-hmm. Amazing. So, . I understand there would be challenges carrying your faith openly in such an office, such a prominent and a public office. Can you tell us a little bit about what it's like to be very open about your Seventh Day Adventist faith in. Office of Prime Minister.
James Marape: Well, I, I, , in my entire public life, I've been in public life for 20 years, and in the office of Prime Minister for 16 years, I [00:23:00] beg a pardon in six years.
Mm-hmm. And so the fact that I was consistent from day one makes it easy. It is now part of my lifestyle, part of my identity. And so my advice to anyone out there who in, in public life, , it's, it's you. Get it out right from the start, that this is who you are and people will get to, , adapt to, , your lifestyle.
I've had, , all my meetings scheduled, on non sa uh, hours. , The biggest one was when Pope, , the late Pope, , Francis came to PNG on September 6th. , They were, he was arriving on Friday evening and, , he basically, his office, , confessed to me that you arriving on, , Pope's arriving on, on, summer hours.
And we know it's your summer time. You'll not be able to meet him. Hmm. We would appreciate, , a stepping arrangement. And so I thought just the fact that I lived the lifestyle of, , not working on suburbs. Everyone know I'm a service Adventist, the reputation and the identity just permeates. I don't need to be on a, on a pulpit.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Mm.
James Marape: , The podium is my, my, my [00:24:00] place to, sort of world. And so everyone I work with at. I belong to this fate and respects, the Christian teaching in his entirety, keeping sa holy, , and, uh, it is, it is now known in all my contact, whether it's with Chinese, , leadership, , United States leadership, , European leadership.
I give you another example. President Macron, , my good friend, he had to resettle. , Saturday meeting to, , right after six o'clock on that Saturday, , to meet me and he said, I know it's a sub. So we had to reschedule. So, , like I said, that's my, that's my space. That's my podium. Yes. I'm just like Joseph Baria.
Yeah. He is doing, doing his play and not be out there in the pulpit, but podium is my space.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Live it out consistently. Correct. Yeah. Amazing. So, , I'm sure you're a busy man. You've got a lot of world leaders that you're meeting, you've got a lot of things to, to do back home. What made you take time out of your schedule to come to this general conference session?
James Marape: 86, 33. Putting God first. Mm, simple as that. Seek first the kingdom. Put God [00:25:00] first and everything else. I'll be added in , my country has a lot of challenges also. It's just putting God first, , gives the perspective and the context. Everything else is God's business.
Jarrod Stackelroth: That's amazing. Prime Minister James Merapi.
Thank you so much for spending this time with us. And may God bless you in your ministry as you continue to lead Papua New Guinea. And do you have anything else? Sorry.
James Marape: Uh, not at all. I appreciate, I appreciate this, this, , moment of interview. , We almost 2000 years since Christ, I send it back to heaven.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yes.
James Marape: Jesus is coming soon. Jesus. I believe in that a hundred percent. That's why I'm still in the faith.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Jesus is coming soon. Thank you so much. Prime Minister and thank you for watching.
There we go. That was, it was a busy day for me on Friday interviewing the president, writing a story, , about the new president, sorry, and interviewing the Prime Minister. Those were the two things I did on Friday, so it was a very [00:26:00] busy day, but yeah.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah, that was, that was really interesting to watch that.
Was that his first time at the gc?
Jarrod Stackelroth: I asked him that question, but not on air. Um, he has been before. He has been before. , But, but not as Prime Minister. So not while he was a Prime minister. Yes.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah. Yeah. So there aren't very many prime ministers or presidents in the world that are Adventist there.
There's only a few. Yeah. Was do you think he was the only one who was at GC.
Jarrod Stackelroth: I think there have been others before. , I spoke earlier in the week with Bill Knot. , He's the, he's now from Adventist Review. He's now in the, public affairs and religious Liberty department. Yeah, he was just keeping me aware of if there was any other dignitaries or delegates sort of expected.
, Mm-hmm. The Minister of Labor for the Democratic Republic of Congo was anticipating being here, I think this weekend as well, last weekend. [00:27:00] And I know the Fiji president at one point, not the Prime Minister, but the president of Fiji, I believe, was a Seventh Day Adventist for some time. , As in he is a Seventh Day Adventist, but he's, I don't think he's the president anymore, and I do believe he came to a gc, , some years ago.
So there have been, it has happened, but, , prime Minister Morae is heading to a few other. Travel appointments this week. He's going to meet the king. He's going to meet the king in England. Wow. And then he's doing some other stuff in the States, Washington, on the way home. And he's coming back here this coming weekend apparently.
So he will be at both sabbaths of the GC Center because as he said, , he wants to put God first as much as he can in his public life. And he, yeah, he doesn't wanna miss this. Big event for Seventh Day Adventists. So he's gonna be here again. And yet,, we are here, [00:28:00] I guess in some senses we're all here to meet the king, you know?
Mm-hmm. The king of heaven. , But he's, he's actually meeting a real king this weekend or this week, and then he's coming back to, to again worship the king of heaven. So , there's a nice poetry to that I think.
Ashley Jankeiwicz: Yeah. You know, it's interesting, , a lot of people say that Adventist shouldn't get involved in politics at all.
Yes. Yet,, we see President Marae here, he's making such a difference and, , you can see that he just has a heart for God and he really wants to put God first.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yeah. He's passionate and there will be Adventists and even others that don't agree with him politically, in everything. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
And he will probably be the first to admit he's a human being. But , he's trying his best in his space and I think that's all we can do., We always get practical here on record live, and I wasn't sure how today was gonna go, but this is for me, this is the message I'm getting from this conversation.
Like, we do the best we can with what we've got, where we're at, and we can all. [00:29:00] We can all make an impact in our world. And yeah, he did. He did reflect,, just in our conversation, , it is hard to be an Adventist in politics, but there's people like Daniel, there's people like Joseph, there's Kings of Israel who still chose God to put God first in the Bible. We can follow their example. They, again, weren't perfect men. They did things that weren't, , a hundred percent. Right all the time, and I'm sure Prime Minister Merapi has that, that as well. But he's doing his best in the position that he's been given to keep his faith in God going strong. And he is a witness to those in his level of,, business.
As he said, everyone who makes meetings with him knows he doesn't meet with them on the Sabbath. He's not doing work on the Sabbath. So I think that's pretty cool. And I'm, yeah, I'm really, I'm really grateful I got the opportunity to sit down , and have a chat with him.[00:30:00]
Well, I, it's getting towards 10 o'clock where I am in my time zone right now, so I'm ready for bed. We've run out of time. It's been half an hour. It went very quickly. And thank you, Ashley, for stepping in today as well. Did you enjoy. I'm sorry. I
Ashley Jankeiwicz: did. Yeah. Yeah. No, I enjoyed learning more about the GC and that was a really interesting interview.
, I always knew that President Morae was Adventist, but I've never actually heard him speak. So yeah, I enjoyed it.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Awesome. Well, I'm sure we'll have some more exciting updates. Hey. I don't know if we mentioned it. I think we did mention it. President Glen Townend was just reelected as well. So I am hoping to get an interview with him in the same studio, , tomorrow or sometime, very shortly by the end of the week.
Amazing. So we will have an interview with Glen and we will hear about his, I guess his dreams, his vision for the South Pacific in the [00:31:00] next five years, , and a little bit more about some of the behind the scenes stuff maybe that's happening at session. So. Until then, God bless and we'll see you. We'll see you again on record live.